"Did you think pointing out something that ridiculously obvious would make your point more persuasively? "
-Brian Thomas@Brian Thomas: Well, since neither you nor Amy got it the first time 'round, that thought did occur to me, yes.
I'll make it yet again. (1) The federal government should not and does not have the authority to just 'go in and take over' and I didn't suggest they should. What I DID suggest is that every local Fire Chief or Sheriff of every little town in this country ought to be able to pick up the phone and summon the resources he needs and that ought to be mutual aid fire companies, typically volunteers, and mutual aid police officers....and in the case of a serial rapist, that COULD mean volunteer retired officers from all of the country, not the Waffen SS stormtroopers in tanks and that if ONE American is in trouble it shouldn't matter which one. Everyone ought to come a-runnin'.Let me make the point even simpler for you. There are about a million (hyperbolically) highly trained retired peace officers and forensic scientists who know what to look for and would come if called. If you paid all their transportation and expenses and even gave them a stipend, you could get a thousand officers rotating in and out of several counties for a year for what it cost to fly Bill Clinton and his entourage of Secret Service Agents to Haiti. And it doesn't matter how much food we send, it isn't going to get to the people who need it....just like Somalia. So before we spend a lot of money we don't have and end up looking like fools AGAIN and finally just leave, we ought to consider spending that money in AMERICA helping AMERICANS who paid it into the system with their TAXES and so it belongs to us when we need it. AND WE NEED IT NOW!(2) Amy makes the point that yes, we are wasting trillions of dollars overseas, but her thought process stops there and she suggests that we ought to bring the troops home "as soon as possible" although she doesn't know why they are wherever they are, and help Haiti because we are such goodies and help anyone else who will take our money and waste it and pass universal health care which is a GREAT concept if we had the money to do it right, but we don't and in the next breath she says that helping Americans in distress sounds a lot like Socialism but for some reason universal health care doesn't and that serial rapists are a local problem but, for some reason, Haiti is a national problem and taking our tax dollars there isn't Socialism even though no one voted to do that. (whew!)So I'm thinking that Amy is day-tripping on those purple tabs because no sober person could convolute logic like that...except, possibly, Lewis Carroll and actually try to make it convincing.Let's get past 'SOCIALISM", can we? SOCIALISM is Somalia and Haiti and North Korea and it doesn't work and we aren't going there. You know who can help Haiti? Bill Gates. He has a Foundation that has more money than most countries.HE and those other uber-billionaires can take their foundations and help Haiti. The foundations are charities. They don't have to pay tax because they are charities. They exist because these people have so much money they cannot give it away fast enough. As Charitable Foundations, they are supposed to help people in need. Neither Bill Gates nor Rupert Murdock would notice sending 100 MILLION dollars to Haiti.They have saved 100 MILLION dollars over the past year NOT paying taxes and WE are supposed to save Haiti with taxpayer dollars?WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING?!?!?!? And BT, NEVER attempt to patronize me, you dumbass. You don't have the horsepower. I'll be happy to debate anyone who can actually find a logical fault in any of this. Step up.
"The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts... the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."-Brian Thomas@Brian Thomas: Well, since neither you nor Amy got it the first time 'round, that thought did occur to me, yes.
I'll make it yet again. (1) The federal government should not and does not have the authority to just 'go in and take over' and I didn't suggest they should. What I DID suggest is that every local Fire Chief or Sheriff of every little town in this country ought to be able to pick up the phone and summon the resources he needs and that ought to be mutual aid fire companies, typically volunteers, and mutual aid police officers....and in the case of a serial rapist, that COULD mean volunteer retired officers from all of the country, not the Waffen SS stormtroopers in tanks and that if ONE American is in trouble it shouldn't matter which one. Everyone ought to come a-runnin'.Let me make the point even simpler for you. There are about a million (hyperbolically) highly trained retired peace officers and forensic scientists who know what to look for and would come if called. If you paid all their transportation and expenses and even gave them a stipend, you could get a thousand officers rotating in and out of several counties for a year for what it cost to fly Bill Clinton and his entourage of Secret Service Agents to Haiti. And it doesn't matter how much food we send, it isn't going to get to the people who need it....just like Somalia. So before we spend a lot of money we don't have and end up looking like fools AGAIN and finally just leave, we ought to consider spending that money in AMERICA helping AMERICANS who paid it into the system with their TAXES and so it belongs to us when we need it. AND WE NEED IT NOW!(2) Amy makes the point that yes, we are wasting trillions of dollars overseas, but her thought process stops there and she suggests that we ought to bring the troops home "as soon as possible" although she doesn't know why they are wherever they are, and help Haiti because we are such goodies and help anyone else who will take our money and waste it and pass universal health care which is a GREAT concept if we had the money to do it right, but we don't and in the next breath she says that helping Americans in distress sounds a lot like Socialism but for some reason universal health care doesn't and that serial rapists are a local problem but, for some reason, Haiti is a national problem and taking our tax dollars there isn't Socialism even though no one voted to do that. (whew!)So I'm thinking that Amy is day-tripping on those purple tabs because no sober person could convolute logic like that...except, possibly, Lewis Carroll and actually try to make it convincing.Let's get past 'SOCIALISM", can we? SOCIALISM is Somalia and Haiti and North Korea and it doesn't work and we aren't going there. You know who can help Haiti? Bill Gates. He has a Foundation that has more money than most countries.HE and those other uber-billionaires can take their foundations and help Haiti. The foundations are charities. They don't have to pay tax because they are charities. They exist because these people have so much money they cannot give it away fast enough. As Charitable Foundations, they are supposed to help people in need. Neither Bill Gates nor Rupert Murdock would notice sending 100 MILLION dollars to Haiti.They have saved 100 MILLION dollars over the past year NOT paying taxes and WE are supposed to save Haiti with taxpayer dollars?WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE THINKING?!?!?!? And BT, NEVER attempt to patronize me, you dumbass. You don't have the horsepower. I'll be happy to debate anyone who can actually find a logical fault in any of this. Step up.
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